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Post by Grass Hopper on Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:48 pm

Rail Rifle - by Glycine

25 damage
35 agility
15 strength
50% attack speed

Has a 25% chance to pin an enemy in their tracks, stunning them for .65 seconds.

requires:
Pulse Rifle: 2000 g
Hydraulic Suit: 2500 g
Targeting Array: 2000 g
Recipe: 500 g

total 7000 gold, 4 honor

The epitome of Tau technology, the Rail Rifle is the power of the infamous Railgun shrunk down for individual use. Able to strike from the farthest reaches and pin down hapless enemies, the weapon can only be used by the most skilled and technologically equipped users. In addition, to improve its killing potential, the Rail Rifle has been upgraded to improve its speed of firing. Only for the most skilled or courageous of troops, the Rail Rifle is a definite upgrade of its counterpart, the Pulse Rifle, and should be treated with respect by both friend and foe.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:34 pm

Hmm, if the Tau Pathfinder uses a RailRifle, why isn't this an mainly intelligence item? Just saying, if I was newbie pathfinder, I'd get railrifle just based on the name.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:36 pm

because fulffwise, it makes sense for it to be an agi item Razz and just looking at the stats, u can tell that it wouldnt fit the pathfinder...

also. pathfinder = carful sniper
railgun = long range death gun...

the railrifle is being used differently by two different wielders Razz look at it like that

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:50 pm

I guess.....but looking at this article, I don't see how you can be agile while holding a gun like that. =p

Also, a pathfinder is only a careful sniper when holding a railrifle.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:52 pm

ok fair enough Razz but its still a killy death weapon Razz

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:03 pm

Here's what I believe the Rail Rifle should be:

25 Damage
35 Intelligence
15 Strength
+150 Range

Has a 25% chance to do 1.5 times more damage.

The range is because I think it would be cool if this was a ranged specific weapon. Also, its a sniper rifle essentially, so why have a faster attack rate? Also, the crit because its just a super damaging weapon.

Now onto the stuff that makes the Rail Rifle. After all, there ingredients have to be appropriate.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:05 pm

u cant add range with items sry
and its more of a pinning weapon than a sniper rifle...

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:15 pm

No range? Oh well.

Anyway, I still think all of those items should be changed, since agility has nothing to do with the rail rifle or the pulse rifle. Shuriken weapons would be a better ranged weapon for agility.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:16 pm

i think the pulse rifle would still be a good weapon for agi Razz maby not the highspeed agi dpsers... but still an agi weapon

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:33 pm

Well, if agility is what I think it is(hand eye coordination, evasion, hitting the enemy without being hit in turn) then pointing and shooting takes more math(anticipating movement then shooting an area he'll be a moment later) then instinct. Thats what they say at least. Its easier to keep a cool head when the enemy is far away than dodging a blade and letting instinct and training lead your hand.

What I think is this. There should be 2 ranged exclusive ultimate items. One is Intelligence, one is Agility. Rail Rifle would be Intelligence, then......Dual Shuriken Catapult Vambraces would be the Agility weapon. I'm even willing to make some items up for you to look at.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Glycine on Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:58 pm

I do disagree with you, sir.

Agility:
1. the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility.
2. the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity.

Agility includes not only hand-eye coordination and general maneuverability, but also dexterity and more importantly foresight. Agi heroes do strike fast, but they don't miss attacks because they have the foresight to guide their strikes in the right place.

I do like the idea of Dual Shuriken Catapult Vambraces and ranged exclusivity, but disagree with your suggestion that they should replace this item as an Agi item.

To fire the Pulse Rifle fast, one must be especially nimble with the fingers and with your coordination to ensure accurate shots. When it's raised a level higher, to the Rail Rifle, the user must be such a master at firing ranged weapons that he or she is able to make the Rifle fire much faster with amazing accuracy.

An intelligence version of this weapon would indeed make sense, at first glance.
But think of who would be using it. Most intelligence ranged casters don't seem bulky enough to use the Rail Rifle, and Pathfinder has to take his time with the weapon just to fire it.
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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:28 pm

im glad there are other people to make my arguments for me much better than i could XD

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:46 pm

Glycine wrote:I do disagree with you, sir.

Agility:
1. the power of moving quickly and easily; nimbleness: exercises demanding agility.
2. the ability to think and draw conclusions quickly; intellectual acuity.

And you don't think this pertains to intelligence. I believe that Agility is instinct, and Intelligence is logic and reasoning(these are of course simplified). The more intelligent you are, the quicker you can solve problems.

Agility includes not only hand-eye coordination and general maneuverability, but also dexterity and more importantly foresight. Agi heroes do strike fast, but they don't miss attacks because they have the foresight to guide their strikes in the right place.

And intelligence lets you know what the right place is. Agility just gives you the reflexes to deliver that blow to the right place. Think about it, with smarts, you plan ahead, with agility, you react to the moment.

I do like the idea of Dual Shuriken Catapult Vambraces and ranged exclusivity, but disagree with your suggestion that they should replace this item as an Agi item.

To fire the Pulse Rifle fast, one must be especially nimble with the fingers and with your coordination to ensure accurate shots. When it's raised a level higher, to the Rail Rifle, the user must be such a master at firing ranged weapons that he or she is able to make the Rifle fire much faster with amazing accuracy.

First of all, the Rail Rifle is a cut down version of the Railgun mounted on vehicles, not the upgraded version of the Pulse Rifle. Secondly, takes intelligence to know where to hit the enemy for the most damage(since armour protects most vital points). Also, both of those rifles are not meant to fire at speed. They are meant to do the most damage per shot, and it takes intelligence to know how to utilize that to its fullest capacity. The shuriken on the other hand, fires hundreds of blades per second, ideal for the fast acting individual.

An intelligence version of this weapon would indeed make sense, at first glance.
But think of who would be using it. Most intelligence ranged casters don't seem bulky enough to use the Rail Rifle, and Pathfinder has to take his time with the weapon just to fire it.

Your not supposed to be bulky when using a sniper rifle, since it hinders your movement when you need to relocate. Also, Pathfinder is the ideal user of the Rail Rifle, since he is trained for it. Also, the Rail Rifle doesn't hold much ammo per clip, so I don't see how it can be used to fire quickly.
The item itself is good, it just needs to be a based on a different weapon. Like the Shuriken weapons. tongue

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Glycine on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:36 am

En garde!
Red patch #1:

Since when did your definition of agility and intelligence become the world's? Razz It's all application and perspective.

Onto valid points:

Being able to think fast and act on predetermined knowledge is not intelligence. If so, why don't people who have the fastest reflexes have all the knowledge in the world?

The speed with which you solve problems is not an indicator of intelligence. If I recognize a pattern and apply it to a problem quickly, that doesn't mean I'm smart. The truly intelligence recognize that pattern for what it's worth and extrapolate the possibilities in their head, trying to analyze and deduct the true meaning of that pattern.


Red Patch #2:

Agility is not only reflexes, as noted earlier.

The more agile your mind is, the faster you can deduct details from situations. By no means does repetition equal intelligence. For example, seasoned warriors train over and over to gain experience for being in battle, such as where to place a strike and how to dodge a thrust, but they aren't truly intelligent.

It's akin to muscle memory, where by repeating an action over and over, your body no longer has to actively think to perform that action.

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Well, I had to make a connection between Tau Weapons. It's not like someone is going to buy a Vehicle-Mounted Railgun and use it as an accessory to build a rail rifle. >>




Buuuuut I don't have the high ground on this, so I'm just going to change the name to the Cyclic Ion Blaster and give it a 10% chance to do 2-3x damage. Because that's simpler and it makes more sense. I'd still prefer to not see the Rail Rifle become an Int item because it doesn't make sense for a caster to be carrying around a giant gun they really can't use, besides Pathfinder.
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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:39 am

does the cyclic ion blaster still have pinning? cause i liked that idea >.>

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:35 am

Glycine wrote:En garde!
Red patch #1:

Since when did your definition of agility and intelligence become the world's? Razz It's all application and perspective.

Onto valid points:

Being able to think fast and act on predetermined knowledge is not intelligence. If so, why don't people who have the fastest reflexes have all the knowledge in the world?

The speed with which you solve problems is not an indicator of intelligence. If I recognize a pattern and apply it to a problem quickly, that doesn't mean I'm smart. The truly intelligence recognize that pattern for what it's worth and extrapolate the possibilities in their head, trying to analyze and deduct the true meaning of that pattern.


Red Patch #2:

Agility is not only reflexes, as noted earlier.

The more agile your mind is, the faster you can deduct details from situations. By no means does repetition equal intelligence. For example, seasoned warriors train over and over to gain experience for being in battle, such as where to place a strike and how to dodge a thrust, but they aren't truly intelligent.

It's akin to muscle memory, where by repeating an action over and over, your body no longer has to actively think to perform that action.

Red Patch #3:

Well, I had to make a connection between Tau Weapons. It's not like someone is going to buy a Vehicle-Mounted Railgun and use it as an accessory to build a rail rifle. >>




Buuuuut I don't have the high ground on this, so I'm just going to change the name to the Cyclic Ion Blaster and give it a 10% chance to do 2-3x damage. Because that's simpler and it makes more sense. I'd still prefer to not see the Rail Rifle become an Int item because it doesn't make sense for a caster to be carrying around a giant gun they really can't use, besides Pathfinder.
Well, I can't see anyone carrying a gun of that size ever unless they're the size of a Primarch. So ha.

Also, you are thinking of Intelligence as the amount of knowledge stored in your mind. Intelligence is also how you can think logically and clearly and decision making. Agility and Strength are, basically, only physical attributes. You say the more agile you mind is, but that kind of agility still pertains to intelligence. Think of it this way, each attribute helps in battle, so intelligence wouldn't be what kind of chemical reaction goes off in that gun, it would be if I'm pointing the gun this way, and the enemy is moving at 14 mph, then I should lead him on a bit then pull the trigger.

But, gonna stop talking about it now, since it is after all, perspective.

I still think you should rename it my shuriken idea, and rename the pulse rifle, make it so you need 2 pulse rifle, hydrailics suit etc.... but its a start.

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Fromundaman on Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:58 am

(Real quick quip: Muscle memory would indeed fall under agility, as would reflexes and instinct.)
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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:28 am

lol, im thinking about the cylcic ion blaster that gly suggested, i just dont know if it pins or not. cause that would make sense

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Glycine on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:45 pm

Cyclic Ion Blaster, in fact, does not pin. It has this effect where 10% of shots will have higher power than normal.

Here's a magical link for Tau weapons, one more of which we should include.

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Psst: Ghost. If you want your shuriken weapon, go create one with stats and a story. Because I'm not going to radically change my story and combinations just to make it an Eldar weapon. Not an angry quip at all, but it's a pain for me to do when I'm busy.

Plus it makes no sense for two pulse rifles to make shuriken vambraces. Your items should make a semblance of sense fluff-wise.
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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:50 pm

hmm, well then... i liked the stun! Razz

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Glycine on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:08 pm

I did like the stun too. But someone apparently has a problem with it being an agi weapon, which is where it has the most potential. Tau does not equal intelligence all the time, you know.
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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:09 pm

lol Razz do you plan on making a new railgun suggestion? or can i just make the cyclic ion blaster pin anyway? Razz

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Glycine on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:49 pm

Make this one the Cyclic Ion Blaster. Take out the Hydraulic Suit and put in another pulse rifle, though. The suit's saved for the new railgun.
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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by Grass Hopper on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:50 pm

cant do that. theyre two handed weapons Razz

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Re: [weapon][recipe]Rail Rifle

Post by GhostIV on Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:53 pm

Just wondering, why is there a Hydraulic suit with the Rail Rifle?

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