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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:37 pm

idk tis just aggrevated me http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20090903/pl_ynews/ynews_pl888_1
idk if any of you know bout it but obama is planning to give a speech to public schools on sep 8h and im a republican to be honest was raised on a military base as a military kid haha but this jstu disgraces republicans they claim that he is attempting to "brain wash" kids because along with this online video speec for schools he has sent possible topics for the day for the teachers to give the kids. THe speech and topics are all geared towards telling kids how important school is and how much a good education matters and republicans are crying saying that he's stepping over his boundaries by introducing these lesson plans when they are 100% optional they aren ot forced in anyway hes not even forcing people to watch simply encouragin people to do so

idk ijust /facepalemd wtf when i saw peoples ignorance on this matter XD

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Post by Grass Hopper on Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:35 pm

wait, people are complaining because hes trying to get kids to stay in school? WHAT?!

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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:04 pm

yeah lmao did u read the article? they say because he is porposing OPTIONAL lesson plans along with his speec that he is attempting to "brainwash" them or overly influence their decision and someway take away their free will to make a choice idk its anoying as hell makes us republicans look bad lmao

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Post by 13loodRaven on Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:59 pm

Im not American... But dayum that sh!t is whack.

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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:30 am

haha you dont gotta be american to see ignorance in its purest form its so aggrevating stupid ass people lmao XD

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Post by 13loodRaven on Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:41 am

Prolly...

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Post by Fromundaman on Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:06 pm

Wow... people do stupid things when it comes to politics and power games...

TBH, I don't see why people should complain. On the other hand, what he's doing seems to have no real point, good or bad, and seems more a publicity stunt. That being said, there's really nothing to complain about still...
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Re: Obama's school speech for next week

Post by Betrayer_kharn on Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:44 pm

well he has good intentions behind more or less its jsut a "stay in school kids" speech if it gets to some people then it was effective but there's really no reason to be "outrage" or "appaled" by this speech sides stupidity

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Post by GhostIV on Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:12 pm

Personally, I think its all about what these 'optional' plans are and who gets to choose wether to implement them or not. I disagree with anything that attempts force a way of thinking onto a child, like fear of global warming, and such. I agree that the republicans nowadays are idiots, but the president should be focusing on more important stuff, such as the over 10 trillion dollar debt(stopped keeping track a long time ago).
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Post by DeusMechanicus on Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:23 pm

The utter failing education system in America isn't important?
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Re: Obama's school speech for next week

Post by GhostIV on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:42 am

Thats a long term problem, that can be fixed once we actually have money to fix it with. Which we don't.
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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:17 am

how can u view debt as a long term problem and education as not? If we dont properly educate our youth we wont have the people necessary to pay back that debt. I hope you do indeed realize the children of this nation are our future we CAN NOT pay that debt off in our life time or the next. Which means its up to future generations (e.g. kids) to get america out of its debt. And if they are not properly educated they will fail miserably. And again all obama did was give a speech to encourage kids to stay in school and do better. He's not forcing them to think anyway he's simply saying he hopes they do better in school and fight it important. And you might not ideas like global warming to be introduced to kids but some ideas need to be introduced to children (e.g. the teaching of proper morals through stories whether it be religion oro ther means) that is a necessity or our future would have no moral code and would again fail. SO like i said he not forcing anyone to think anyway. He's just giving a speech encouraging them to stay in school and offering optional lesson plans. If somethings optional it in no way can force you to think anyway because by the very nature of optional you're choosing it on your own free will. ANd even if the teachers choose to do these lesson plans they are nothing more then reflection discussions on the speech so to answer the questions in the lesson plan you have to be thinking on your own because its opinionated. BUt to think that we will succesfully pay off our debt without properly educating our youth is....... well im sorry but it's ignorance (im not saying that to be mean or take a shot at you it's simply the truth =/)

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Post by Grass Hopper on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:51 am

umm, before i read that wall of text... he said that the failing education system is the long term problem...

and whoa, i agree with kharn! :O (on the principles, not on the application, because i dont live in the us)

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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:06 am

i know what he said lol but education is a long term problem as well and the debt isnt going to be fixed until our future is properly educated so u cant put off educating our future in hopes of fixing the economy first when fixing the economy relies on the education of our future

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Post by GhostIV on Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:40 pm

Its not that education isn't important, but we have a branch of government for education, and the president of the united states should be focusing on other, more pressing matters(debt, growing unemployed percentage, etc). Besides, I believe that the government should instead give the money used for each individual student to the families so they can choose a private school instead, causing competition between schools and better quality education.
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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:45 pm

not necessarily not in all areas are private schools available or better. And secondly not all families will use that money to send their child to private school. If you have a public school in your area that you beleive is the best choice for your child then when given this sum of cash why would u spend it on a less superior school? you wouldnt you'd use it for your own personal gain mroe then likely and then on top of that some people would simply hoard it and not use it for school at all this would cause public and private schools alike to decrease in education value which would ultimately destroy our education system. So that plan could never ever be succesful. And again by addressing education and our future you are addressing all these issues you are concerned about because those issues will not be settled in our lifetime they will be setlled by future generations. so by improving our future generations you improve our chance of success in the future and improve the chance of these matters being settled properly

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Post by 13loodRaven on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:59 am

Note: Most public highschools are well, kinda silly. I know as a fact that 30% of the kids enrolled in theat thechool dont actually go it it, they just spend the day down at the shops down the road... So this speech/reply thing is encourgaging more kids to do this??

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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:16 am

what? how do you figure? he's telling kid's to stay in school and apply themselves how does that translate to him telling them to shop to you? that makes absolutely no sense.......

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Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:23 pm

Betrayer_kharn wrote:not necessarily not in all areas are private schools available or better. And secondly not all families will use that money to send their child to private school. If you have a public school in your area that you beleive is the best choice for your child then when given this sum of cash why would u spend it on a less superior school? you wouldnt you'd use it for your own personal gain mroe then likely and then on top of that some people would simply hoard it and not use it for school at all this would cause public and private schools alike to decrease in education value which would ultimately destroy our education system. So that plan could never ever be succesful.
What makes you say that? There are ways to make that succesful. Your using the worst possible scenario. The way I see it, the free public schools will no longer exist or at least charge a fee for admission. Also, sorry if I said otherwise, the money won't really be given to the families in cash, but the families will enroll those students, with social security or something, to those private schools, and the school will apply for the fee from the government. All schools will get the same amount of money for the student from the government, so they will compete through quality education to get that fee.

Also, what are we supposed to do if irreparable damage is done to the country before those kids are even old enough to vote? At the rate the Obama administration is spending money, the United States will belong more to other countries than to the united states itself. And more and more companies are leaving the United States, taking those jobs that could be used for America with them and all the admnistation can do is put more and more restrictions on companies. So that by the time the children that will inherit the country reach maturity, there won't be much for them left to inherit.

And btw, not all problems have to be problems for our children, we should be working as hard as we can to not make it they're problem.

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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:29 pm

u could take every person in the US and work on these problems and they will still exist when our children grow up. And im not saying dont work on these problems simply dont turn a blind eye to education because you feel there are "bigger" problems. Because in reality we cna work to make those other problems better but our children and their children will solve them. And of course hes spending alot of money that what democrats do thats what they've always done. They spend money on the nation to better improve in an attempt to increase its income.

And im not looking at the worst possible situation im looking at the realistic one whether u liek it or not alot of people are greedy its an unfortunate side effect of our way of living. Thousands of people see cahs as king and when u give them access to that cash to spend on their own they will spend in on many other things. Because even if u made public schools have a fee it is literally impossible to make all schools in the entire nation have a fee. So there will be free ones and the greedy people exisitng in our world will choose htose schools. Its simply human nature. And now their child is ina free school and they have the money thats supposed to go to their child's education but now it isnt. Furthermore its an even worse idea because not everyone can afford to pay for their child to go to school some people are jstu barely making it and would choose to spend that money on necessary builds rather then their childs' school because they see providng him shelter and well being as more important then a proper education adn to an extent they are right. So again due ti simple human nature and the state of our world ur plan could never work succesfully. Its not the worst case scenario its simply the realistic one

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Post by GhostIV on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:42 pm

Betrayer_kharn wrote:u could take every person in the US and work on these problems and they will still exist when our children grow up. And im not saying dont work on these problems simply dont turn a blind eye to education because you feel there are "bigger" problems. Because in reality we cna work to make those other problems better but our children and their children will solve them. And of course hes spending alot of money that what democrats do thats what they've always done. They spend money on the nation to better improve in an attempt to increase its income.
I'm not saying that they should completely ignore education. I'm saying the president of the united states has more immediate pressing matters to attend to. Also, the democrats have never increased the income of the country that I know of. They just like to be hypocrits and socialists. Not all of them, but a good majority anyway.

And im not looking at the worst possible situation im looking at the realistic one whether u liek it or not alot of people are greedy its an unfortunate side effect of our way of living. Thousands of people see cahs as king and when u give them access to that cash to spend on their own they will spend in on many other things. Because even if u made public schools have a fee it is literally impossible to make all schools in the entire nation have a fee. So there will be free ones and the greedy people exisitng in our world will choose htose schools. Its simply human nature. And now their child is ina free school and they have the money thats supposed to go to their child's education but now it isnt. Furthermore its an even worse idea because not everyone can afford to pay for their child to go to school some people are jstu barely making it and would choose to spend that money on necessary builds rather then their childs' school because they see providng him shelter and well being as more important then a proper education adn to an extent they are right. So again due ti simple human nature and the state of our world ur plan could never work succesfully. Its not the worst case scenario its simply the realistic one
Did you even read my post? I said that the family would apply for the school and the government would send the school a check. Thus making a competitive capitalist education system, each school competing through quality for the money.

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Post by DeusMechanicus on Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:09 pm

Firstly Democract presidents have often had balanced / surplus.

Second, with that plan those schools who perform poorly receive less money, thus making them even less likely to improve.
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Post by Betrayer_kharn on Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:33 pm

no true yes it was ww2 but it was also the workings of a democratic president and his poilicies that brought america back from the great depression dont hold a stereotype over all democrats simply cause u dont feel they've helped.

and again that system is a horrible failure of an idea because ur system means more densley populated areas automatically get better schools no matter what. And im nto talking like country city diff im talking if one highly populated school is 5 miles from another densley populated school but more ppl apply to school a well now all the people who can only get to school b take an extreme hit to their lack of education simply because school a had more people and therefore took the funds from school b. I dont approve of the state testing way it is know good test scores = more money but ur system couldnt work either capitalism is amazing for business but not for education or public schools and u yes i did read ur post did you? u said public schools would have a fee for enrollemnt and people would p[ay it with social sceurity currently u dont gain access to your social security till u retire but its still urs to spend however u want when u do what u prposed was giving them social security money earlier to pay for their child to be admitted to a public plz read your pwn posts before u go badgering me

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