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Post by ChangerOfWays on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:07 am

glycine's developed suggestion:

story: blah!

stats:
str: 18 + 1.5
agi: 26 + 3.0
int: 21 + 1.9

range: 500
movespeed: 305

Innate: Shrouded Steps
Cypher is light on his feet and able to almost fade into any background. Increases agility by 5/10/15/20/25/30 and movement speed by 10/11/12/13/14/15%. Activates as Wind Walk for duration of 5/6/7/8/9/10 seconds, dealing 2.25x critical damage upon breaking with movement speed bonus of 5/10/15/20/25/30%

one: Execution
Cypher aims his pistol at his foe, and unleashes a hail of bullets. Fires a number of shots equal to 16% of Cypher's agility. Each shot does 10/13/16/21 + 5% of Cyphers agility. Deals less damage the further the target is, upto 0% at max range
range: 800, manacost: 105, cooldown: 13
100 agility, level 4: 16 shots, 416dmg at melee, 208dmg at 400 range
25 agility, level 2: 4 shots, 102dmg at melee, 51dmg at 400 range

two: Voice of the Emperor
Cypher claims to be the Voice of the Emperor, proclaiming 'truths' that would fill even the most stout heart with doubt and hesitation. Reduces damage and attack speed of all enemy units around Cypher. Decreases attack speed by 10/20/30/40%, attack by 5/10/15/20%, and silences heroes for 3/4/5/6 seconds.
Aoe: 1000, manacost: 110/130/150/170, cooldown: 16/15/14/13 seconds

three: Masterful Shot
Cypher is a master marksmen. He has even been known to slay several enemies with a single shot. Cypher has a 15/30/45/60% chance to pierce through enemies when he attacks. 200/250/300/350 range, 100/120/140/160 aoe behind the target.

Ult: C'tan Phase Knife
Cypher carries a C'tan Phase Knife, though he rarely uses it. When he does however, few survive. Cypher is able to rush forward at an enemy and strike them with his C'tan Phase Knife, dealing 300/450/600 pure damage and crippling them, reducing armor and movement speed by 10/15/20% for 20 seconds. While under the effects of the Phase knife, the target will allways trigger Masterful Shot.
Raange: 600/800/1200, manacost: 100, cooldown: 30/27/24.


changer's original suggestion
Spoiler:
Chypher was once a title within The Order, he was the keeper of secrets and traditions. Today's Chypher is one of the "Fallen". He is seen with a robe of white over his power armor, and carries two pistols. On his back is a sword, that he oddly never uses. Some believe it to be the Lion Sword. Could he be trying to reforge the sword, as a gift for the Emperor?

Movespeed:300

Range: Ranged, 270

Innate- Masterful shot: Chypher has been know to be able to make impossible shots, even amidst the chaos of battle. (Gives a chance to do a critical shot, each level increases the chance, 5/10/15/20)

Abil 1: Aimed shot (skill): Chypher stops, aims and fires his pistol with acute accuracy. (Stops for 3/2/1/0 secs to fire a shot with 70/75/80/85% chance to do critical damage)

Abil 2: Keeper of secrets (skill): The Chypher knows many secrets, ones that would make even the most stout hearted pause. (Stuns enemies in a 200/250/300/350 AoE for 1/2/3/4 secs.)

Abil 3: Fallen Angel (aura): Few know who the Fallen are, but those that do know they are fearsome foes. (Decreases attack speed in a 300/350/400/450 AoE around Chypher.)

Abil 4: Phase knife (ulti): The few times Chypher does close with his enemies, he uses a knife that seems to bipass armor. (Does instant 250/300/350/400 dmg, melee skill)

This is a rough idea, now we do the arduous process of making it a real hero
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:37 pm

if you keep aimed shot, make it a 100% chance to crit... and instead of stoping for 3/2/1/0... give him -50 or -100% ias on that one shot, with a 100% chance to 2x crit... or something...

and a bland critical is boring Razz it might work, but its boring XD just so u know

keeper of secrets' effect interested me as an idea XD never woulda thought of that

i wanna know how fallen angel makse reducs attackspeed... why? Razz

and the ult is good, if not fitting for the hero (btw, fuegan has a pure damage ult, and it gets up to 550 damage... so yours is rather weak in comparison)

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Fromundaman on Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:17 am

For Masterful Shot (The innate), I think a chance to make the attack bounce would be better and more fitting of the theme.
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by ChangerOfWays on Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:44 am

very well, it'll bounce
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:20 pm

umm... i want to *seriously* avoid using the missle-bounce property Razz cause it fucks up all orbs Razz unless your ok with him being not allows to have orbs Razz

oh, and i cant make it a chance to bounce, it would have to be perma

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Fromundaman on Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:16 pm

Awww... Hmmm... I'm trying to avoid the bland crit, and bounce is more "impossible" than a critical to me anyway. Magic Bullet anyone?
Hmmm... what else could we make this do otherwise?
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Glycine on Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:06 pm

Make it go through enemies for a certain distance?

The gun and bullets are so arcane and special and wonderful (You can tell I'm fluffing it up) that each shot not only hits the first target, but also has a chance to go through and hit targets behind the first target for a reduced amount of damage.

Or you could make it so that he has a very small, but noticeable attack animation, showing his mastery in attacking with the very minimum of effort, but the maximum of accuracy and poise.

Lastly, you could make it so that it has a percent chance each to do (for number's sake) 10 damage extra representing an arm or a leg hit, 20 damage extra for a body hit, and 60 damage extra for what would be a headshot. Or if you want it to scale, base the damage off a % of agi and str combined.
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:18 pm

the first is possible, yet tricky to do with a % chance...
the second isnt possible... (the tank bustas have like 0.01 attack point, and 0.01 backswing, yet they still play the full attack... so i cant make a model have a not noticable attack animation using game stuf... (if you could find me a model however, it might work, but makes for a pretty lame innate Razz)
and the third, well to be realistic, all heros should have to get this then...

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Glycine on Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:17 pm

Well, for the third, he's a crack shot. Razz

The areas don't really matter, it's the concept behind it.

He's quite masterful, he knows just where to aim to hit you for more damage than a normal shot, but he obviously can't do it 100% of the time, so he'll hit an area that isn't quite as damaging.
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:53 pm

ok fair enough Razz

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Fromundaman on Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:09 am

I prefer the first TBH, but with full damage to make it more worth it
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:24 am

me too Razz

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by walt_jabsco on Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:29 pm

4 second aoe stun seems like it would be op to me
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:59 pm

numbers dont matter
(ill jsut change them after anyway Razz and itll prolly end up being like 1-2 seconds

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by ChangerOfWays on Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:25 am

What about the ulti? I had to thing of something and make something up, and if we do make c'tan, then it wont work on them cause the dagger is made from the necrotyr, and they'd just absorb it
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Fromundaman on Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:43 am

Meh, not everyone needs to know that Razz
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:26 pm

lol Razz yeah... to situational for game terms, and unfair for the c'tan

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by ChangerOfWays on Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:28 pm

then he sounds good? (i let you figure all the numbers Razz)
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:44 pm

if you update your first post then i can get a better idea Razz

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:42 pm

innate: 25/32/39/46/53/60% chance to pierce through enemies, 100/150/200/250/300/350 range, 100/110/120/130/140/150 aoe... or somethin like that

first: for one shot, gains a 100% chance to deal 2/3/4/5x damage and -100% ias

im not entirely ok with the effects of keepe of secrets, or fallen angle
(but aoe stun, and negative enemy ias aura)

c'tan phase knife. deals pure damage to the target, and debuffs him for 10 seconds
debuffed units are slowed by 10%, (some other negative effect, prolly -armor) and always trigger the innate

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by doomcowgod on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:12 pm

I thought Cypher's sword was the Sword of the Lion or w/e...?

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by DeusMechanicus on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:40 pm

No one knows what his sword is... He never uses it.
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:24 pm

doesnt cypher have a c'tan phase knife in tt?

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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by DeusMechanicus on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:20 pm

I think so. He also carries a sword in a sheath at his waist. But no one has ever seen him even draw it. Some think it's the broken Lion's sword. He's going to reforge it or some crap.
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Re: [Incomplete] Cypher - The Fallen Angel

Post by Grass Hopper on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:22 pm

heh Razz

still need to refine the keeper of secrets and falen angel skills.

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