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Post by Grass Hopper on Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:35 pm

ok, since for the most part, i havnt changed these, i've decided that i need to go through and normalize some values.

these are the current values:
Spoiler:

armor vs damagepiercenormalheromagicspell
unarmored150%100%100%100%100%
small200%100%100%125%100%
medium75%150%100%75%100%
normal100%100%50%50%50%
large100%100%100%200%100%
foritfied35%70%50%35%100%
hero50%100%100%75%75%
siege:
unarmored: 150% small: 100%, med: 50%, normal: 100%, large: 100%, fortified: 150%, hero: 50%


and i want to change it to these values, under these asumptions:
Spoiler:
armor:
small: standard units (marines/orks)
medium: standard units; weak vs magic (crons/atomotons)
normal: standard units; hero resistant (hireables/guardsmen)
---the above values are normal units and variations on normal units---
large: resistant units (honorguard/terminators)
fortified: buildings/tanks
unarmored: weak units (grots/scarabs)

damage:
piercing: anti-infantry weapons
normal: normal weapons (usually melee or bolter-esque)
magic: power weapons
siege: anti-tank weapons
hero: hero attacks
spell: spell damage

armor vs damagepiercenormalmagicherospell
unarmored125%125%125%125%100%
small150%100%100%100%100%
medium150%100%100%100%150%
normal150%100%100%60%60%
large100%80%150%100%100%
foritified35%70%50%50%100%
hero50%100%100%100%75%
siege:
unarmored: 125% small: 80%, med: 80%, normal: 80%, large: 100%, fortified: 150%, hero: 50%


so, percing damage is good vs regular units, normal vs large units, and sucks vs fortified/heroes
normal damage is normal vs regular units, bad vs large units, and worse vs fortified
magic damage is above average vs regular, good vs large, and bad vs fortified
siege is bad vs regulars, normal vs large units, and good vs fortified
heroes are normal vs everything
spells are normal vs everything
unarmored units take 125% damage from everything

types of armor:
Spoiler:
unarmored: scarab swarms, grots
small: most units and summons
medium: necrons and atomatons
normal: hireables, guardsmen
large: honor guard
fortified: siege creeps, buildings
hero: heroes

types of damage:
Spoiler:

normal: all melee creeps, and most summons
piercing: ranged creeps, dark reapers
magic: honor guard, howling banshees, atomotons
hero: heroes
siege: siege creeps, ork tank bustas


Last edited by Grass Hopper on Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:56 pm; edited 5 times in total

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Post by Glycine on Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:10 pm

Wherever did you pull the normal armor type from? I don't see it.

The armor types I do see..

Also, what units besides cato's summons will have power weapons? And why did you buff magic damage against heroes? xD Logically, shouldn't hero damage be the strongest? And you realize by doubling the amount of damage Magic does against fortified, you open up the way for Cato's Summons and Ahriman's Automatons to absolutely destroy outposts at level 6. >> They aren't supposed to be that good, unless you're changing the type of damage they do.
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Post by Mortis on Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:41 pm

Well, to be honest glycine, power weapons allow you to destroy buildings and vehicles with greater ease then otherwise possible, so in this case it makes sense
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Post by Glycine on Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:45 pm

And yet hero weapons don't? Many of which are power weapons in their own right.
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Post by Mortis on Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:17 pm

Not necesarily. Heros need to pick up power weapons
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Post by Grass Hopper on Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:33 pm

right XD i guess i didnt realise i was doubling the magic damage vs buildings sorry XD ill lower that
i was trying to destinguish magic vs piercing... i have some better ideas.

and gly, i think there was a armor type that wasnt used by regular wc3 units... but normal armor does exist in game, hirebales use normal armor.

and heroes do 100% vs everything. because they arent inherantly good or bad vs anything (cept tanks)

and as to magic in general... ill prolly make some changes and a few other units with power weapons will get that damage type.

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