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Eldar Balance Changes
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
faiiiir enough 

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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Just curious, how much nerfing will the crazy carries goe through (eldar), oh and the Harlequin in 40kaos should have a different name. Grass said El'Khorne was a bad name for one hero, Lil'eath is a bad name for a commander. Seeing how she/it is a nearly godly deity.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Yeah, the Eldar have a vast array of carries. Pretty much their whole tavern can turn a game around, whether at the start or at the end. So I think overall we'll have to nerf them. All numbers, after all, are initial values.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
and the harlequin was nambed before i realised that lileath was an eldar god 

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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Well, dance of death should VERY much be a semi-random blink strike that targets every hostile unit within an aoe of the current 'rebounded' unit.
So; Dance of Death, Targets a unit, bounces around for a bit, each unit hit is knocked back. 500-700 aoe from that unit to bounce to another unit. Max of 2/3/4 bounces on the same unit.
Harle should be able to be damaged in the ultimate.
Harle's kiss should be more of an insta-kill orb with no % chance to activate. Think of it as Crixalix's Caustic Finale. Remove the stun. 2secs for a spell that could activate shitloads against a wave? It almost sounds worse than Earthshaker in WTF mode.
So; Dance of Death, Targets a unit, bounces around for a bit, each unit hit is knocked back. 500-700 aoe from that unit to bounce to another unit. Max of 2/3/4 bounces on the same unit.
Harle should be able to be damaged in the ultimate.
Harle's kiss should be more of an insta-kill orb with no % chance to activate. Think of it as Crixalix's Caustic Finale. Remove the stun. 2secs for a spell that could activate shitloads against a wave? It almost sounds worse than Earthshaker in WTF mode.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
so dance of death becomes omnislash? 
it was like that before, and it was either powerful or useless.
and having an incinerate orb on a (semi) carry like harle is a bad idea.
she had it for a bit before she was actually put into the game and its too much.

it was like that before, and it was either powerful or useless.
and having an incinerate orb on a (semi) carry like harle is a bad idea.
she had it for a bit before she was actually put into the game and its too much.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Think of the dance of death as a chain spell that carries the harlequin to each foe, WITHOUT invulnerability. Perhaps we could turn kiss into a instant creep kill active, and the units hp is the aoe of a DoT effect. Boiling blood does sound ouchish.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
so what it was before 
to hit a unit multiple times, there needs to be a set ammount of total hits, or as it is currently.
so its either as it is now, or as it was before
and as before it was either useless (too many creeps around) or too powerful (a single enemy hero)
and did you know that kiss currently insta kills creeps?

to hit a unit multiple times, there needs to be a set ammount of total hits, or as it is currently.
so its either as it is now, or as it was before

and as before it was either useless (too many creeps around) or too powerful (a single enemy hero)
and did you know that kiss currently insta kills creeps?

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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
yeah but whats the point on a huge cd when you can take out HUGE hp with the current ult. Just give it a shorter cd with different DoT effects.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
its cd already isnt that long tho
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Manacost, and etc. But I get your point. Perhaps change it to something like 20/17/14/11 cd, with the DoT/slow/ias degen as an active nuke. The current ult harle has isn't something you want to use on a creep.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
no, not really XD
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
<.< That's what dance and flip belt are for.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
thers no need for those shitty abils cause of her ultra dps that she gets pretty early.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
dps gained early? XD
how does she dps without being fed? considering her only dps skill is her innate.
how does she dps without being fed? considering her only dps skill is her innate.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Its simply not possible that harlequin goes without feed. Its like Bruce Lee being beat up by Chuck Norris, its just impossible.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
<_< So I'm the only one that rapes with current dance because I get two bionics at the start?
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
prolly not
altho i do only get 1 bionics

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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
I get two since I go for Thunder hammer and Holo Suit with her. The proc is beastly.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
i can imagine XD
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
So it doesn't take a fool to be good at harle... Its worse than I thought...
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Yeaaah. >>
That's why I wanted to change her around. She's too good in her current incarnation because she just spams death and jump, which each have no mana cost, and gradually wears down the opponent. The only thing that stonewalls her are tanks with 3k health and lots of armor, but she shouldn't be attacking those if she's sane.
And I think we should give her access to the webway. That's what harlequins do.
That's why I wanted to change her around. She's too good in her current incarnation because she just spams death and jump, which each have no mana cost, and gradually wears down the opponent. The only thing that stonewalls her are tanks with 3k health and lots of armor, but she shouldn't be attacking those if she's sane.
And I think we should give her access to the webway. That's what harlequins do.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
And tone down fleet of foot. It makes chasing harlequin without a disable too hard to bother with.
Perhaps replace flip belt with webway?
Perhaps replace flip belt with webway?
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
Flip should stay, take Fleet off and replace it with webway, I think.
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Re: Eldar Balance Changes
if we give her webway, thats pretty much 3 blinks, and now you cant escape her.
i dont want to make her chasing/ganking better than it already is
i dont want to make her chasing/ganking better than it already is

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