Chainfist.

The Chainfist is a variant of the Power Fist, a weapon often used by the Adeptus Astartes. The chainfist is created when a power fist has a small chain sword attached to it, the size of a large bayonet. This is also covered by the energy field, and is used to carve through armored bulkheads and such. It can also be used quite effectively in close combat, punching through even Terminator armour.

Like the power fist, the chainfist is most often used by the elite of the Space Marines, often in conjunction with Terminator armour. Also, like its relative, the chainfist is slow and cumbersome, meaning the user will usually get hit first simply bringing it to bear, and again if he misses.

Recipe: Terminator Honours and Power Fist.
Damage: 20
Stats: 15 str, 6 agi, 6 int, + 11 hp regen.
Ability: (Passive, 20% chance to ministun for 0.2 seconds, and deal 325 damage, and permanent medium tier armour degen of 7.
Drawback Ability: 11% chance to miss, damaging the attacker for 100% of their base damage.

This is actually a really good idea. We can shift Thunder Hammer to its own chain and perhaps make it a little weaker.

Do you want armor reduction or a chance for bonus damage or etc, etc?

Lets not make it too complicated, say a bonus ministun and armour reduction chance. Keeping the current damage bonus from power fist is good, just tone down the stun, add armour degen (non stacking) and some decent damage/stats.

Very solid idea. A good chain fist is always, always fun.

Worked out stats and an interesting agi/ias degen. We still need to discuss the recepie components, its obviously going to have powerfist, but what else?

well, the thunder hammer logic comes from the fact that thunder hammers funciton *exactly* as powerfists in TT, but reduce the target to initiative of 1 if it doesnt doe (somehow >.>)

which covers the upgrade from powerfist, and the stun chance.


while chainfists do come from powerfists, but dont stun people. they may rip them apart and carve out battle tanks, but thats a different path than a thunder hammer.


TL;DR: i am against the chainfist replacing the thunder hammer

Perhaps we could have two options?

Power fist can either be upgraded to Thunder Hammer or Chain Fist? In this case, we'd have to separate the items' qualities some more.

i like the idea of the chainfist destroying armor.

perhaps combine the powerfist with spiky bits and a big choppa,
then make it do for its effect something like: reduces armor by (large ammount) and deals x damage.

that would be a proc orb effect.

im thinking like -7 to -10 armor, and like 200 extra damage.

just some ideas

Hmm.. Haven't we already been through how OP Thunder Hammer is now? And yet we're creating another item like it?

Could we sort of stray away from the whole extra damage proccing, because it gets ridiculous when some heroes do 400/500 damage on a single hit?

didnt you say thunder hammer was op cause of its aoe damage?

this is single target damage, on a proc, the number i gave was just an example.

I said thunder hammer was OP because of its damage bonus on attack. Not the AoE. The AoE can go jump off a cliff for all I care.

heh, either way, its getting nerfe4d a bit,

and either way, thunder hammer statistically only adds 30 aoe damage.

Nice 4 =\


Last night I noticed that some of the final tier weapons like Raven's Talons or Thunder Hammer seemed to cost a TON extra, for almost minimal stat boosts. Why is this?

Grass doesn't want the game to be item reliant. Besides, have you not seen a Harle or some other fast attacker with a Thunder Hammer? It's not pretty.

Still... an extra 3-4 thousand for like 3 damage, 3 agility and a 20% chance for a like... 20% slow? o.o

A bit extreme maybe.

Well, its because towards the end, you can afford it. If you cant afford it, you dont deserve it.

Deserve is a strong word to use. Are you saying that farming heroes deserve better items, despite it not being hard to farm with said heroes? Should heroes who take more skill to play not deserve the same opportunity?

Besides, you pay an extra 1-2k gold for abilities the item gives, not solely stats.
For example, the new Ravens' Talons will give a % chance to rupture the target, which is well worth 2k.

<_< And Thunder Hammer is a 20% slow while doing a 200 damage aoe attack

OOoh.... I like that new thunder hammer.

And sorry glyc, deserve isnt the right word. but usually you can afford any items you need late game, if you play well.

Yeah, Grass and I talked about hammer earlier.

Do you want it to be nerfed or think it's fine for what it does?

and the hammer also stuns the target

and the way the items are currently set up (stats-wise at least, i hope) is like a diminishing returns kinda thing.
buying a bunch of low tier items can give you the same stats as a high tier item, but come in larger ammounts, while the high tier items combine the stats and abilities of the low end items into one slot and one classification. the more stats put into an item, the more exponentially expensive it *has* to be to keep balance.

Back on topic; should this item be implemented and/or be a choice upgrade from power fist, should it have an ias degen and or ministun, variables need discussing.

im against the -ias.

The Astartes themselves have trouble weilding the weapon. As such a Tau hero wouldn't even be able to lift it. As such perhaps there should be a STR requirement to use the weapon. It says in the description that it is a cumbersome weapon, that would w/o ias degen be crazy on some unnerfed carries.

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