Comments on 0.43.

umm. why is this in heroes?
i cant do bigger shops D:

all implemented heroes do have innates as of this version, they're all the same.
(why does warboss need buffing? o.o)

Whoops. This is here. Could you move it to regular suggestions? xD;;

Have Warboss's skills changed to scale with level and stats or are they still base damage?

well, it would be... possible but very annoying to scale them, and he would prolly suffer more earlygame for it.

also, that being said, whenever ive palyed warboss i did pretty rape

If that's the case, Warboss should be fine.

What I meant by balancing heroes is that we need to audit each hero as a community (A list of all heroes present in-game would be a start xD) so that we can try to get heroes right on the first or second try, instead of waiting lots of patches to fix the riggedness.

yeah that would be ideal.
but u have to remeber that not everyone in the community knows what theyre talking about.

Ehh, everyone knows a little... Also, buildings inside the base should do something to affect the gameplay instead of being there for creepbait.

Yeah, Warboss doesn't really need a buff... just needs to be more fun to play as

That being said, a list of in game heroes wouldn't be a bad idea.

Also, Grass, I think you should make a special forum-section made up of the people whom you personally think would be good at debating balance issues, and have them make, and I hate to word it this way, a hero tier list, then try to find ways to even up those tiers.

I mean, it is very easy to see that Asurmen and Bloodthirster are two of the better heroes at the moment, but who's under them? That's where debates start.

well, as of right now, a good majority of people here know what their talking about...
no thats a lie... but what your talking about is basically a real beta testing team

I'm sure we can arrange for that to be organized.

oh yeah...

it would start with making the dev forum hidden to non-beta testers

Well, a lot of people would qualify for beta testers.

What I am talking about is a concept I stole from Smashboards, in which the most knowledgeable discuss important things (On smashboards it's stuff like bans, rulesets, and tier lists.). I was thinking make it tier lists and character balancing for us. The tier lists would, I believe, help for balancing, because before we decide who needs buffing and nerfing, we kind of need to decide who is better and in what aspects.

That being said, we could indeed do it here instead. *shrugs*

I can make a quick list right now.

Bloodthirster
Asurmen
Autarch
Mad Doc
Chapter Master
Lord of Change
Fuegan
Zoey
Celestine
Grand Master
Keeper of Secrets
Lucius
Typhus
Kharn
Carnifex
Flayed One
Necron Lord
Mistress of Death
Karandras
Farseer
Avatar
Harlequin
Chaplain
Pathfinder
Librarian
Warlord
Runt Herd
Big Mek
Warphead
Psyker

Let the discussion begin.

Well I meant more in depth, because the list changes very drastically throughout early, mid, and late game (For example, Psycher and Warp are much better early game than say Karandras or Lucius, but late game Karandras and Lucius would both be near the top of the list.)

Also, they are all in different categories, like Warphead is a better hero killer than Doc, but Doc is better support. Runt is shit at hero killing, but a good pusher, etc.

I'm actually thinking of making one with excel XD

Finally, while there are many parts of that list I personally disagree with, the main thing is Zoey is way too high for an 'overall' list considering how badly he poops out late game.

The list isn't in order. It's just a list of heroes. xD Feel free to arrange them however you wish.

Oh!

Haha, that makes more sense then.


You know, seeing Bloodthirster and Asurmen at the top and Psycher at the bottom just made me assume

lmao, im working on a forum for just what were talking about here. give me a while and ill have it up
and wiat, u think psyker sucks? o.o

Well, I haven't played him in 0.43, but in 0.42, while he was good early game, and good support, he was not exactly a good hero.
I don't know if I'd put him as THE worst, but he's down there late game (Early game he is really good though.).

yeah, with a buff to his ult he can still be usefull