[Tyranid] Tyranid Infiltrator - Broodlord

I don't think we have a Broodlord yet, so, I'll start one...
Open to ideas, as always.

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Imperial Designation: Broodlord
Common name: Leech-master
Species Name: Corporaptor Primus

Story

A product of the continual evolution of the Genestealer race, the Broodlord is the consummate hand-to-hand warrior. Lightning-fast and frighteningly strong, its diamond-hard claws can rip through adamantium as though it were silk. A Tyranid vanguard organism, swarms led by Broodlords often precede the main Tyranid advance, infiltrating enemy positions before launching a devestating assault on the elements of the enemy most dangerous to the main Tyranid army.

stats:
str: 24 + 2.5
agi: 19 + 2.4
int: 18 + 1.7

range: melee
movespeed: 310

Innate
Expand the Brood

Type: Cast
Mana:
CD:
Range: Melee

Kills targetted non-hero unit to summon a Genestealer (See Below). Max of 6.
25% whenever spawning a Genestealer, it will become a Patriarch (See Below), if one is not present.

Spoiler:

Skill #1
Toxic Hooks

Type: Cast
Mana:
CD:
Range: Melee

Broodlord plunges his blades into the target, locking them together while the toxin is delivered.
Stuns Broodlord and target for .5 seconds.
Reduces target's MS by 5/7/12/15% and deals 10/15/20/30 dps for 10 seconds.

Skill #2
Adaptive Mutations

Type: Passive

Whenever the Broodlord kills enemy hero it gets 1/3/5/7 to STR, AGI, or INT until death (enemy hero's primary).

Skill #3
Scuttler Biomorph

Type: Cast / Passive
Mana:
CD:
Range: (See Below)

Whenever within 200 of trees and not within 400/300/300/200 of an enemy, the Broodlord is invisible.
While invisible, the Broodlord may target an enemy within 500/600/700/800 and dash towards it.
If Broodlord runs into an allied or enemy unit, the dash is interrupted and Broodlord becomes visible.
Broodlord gains 10/17/25/32% IMS while Dashing. Dispels immediatley upon becomming visible.
If Broodlord reaches the target, Broodlord becomes visible, the target is stunned for .5/1/1.5/2 seconds.

Ultimate
Rending Claws

Type: Cast
Mana:
CD:
Range: Self
Duration:

The Broodlord's claws rip through adamantium like it was cloth. When active Broodlord's attacks cause Rupture (I don't know a good distance = dmg ratio)
Broodlord's attacks also reduce armor by .5/1/1.5 per hit, to a max of -4/6/8. Armor reduction lasts 10/20/30 seconds after spell ends.

regular skills have 4 levels
other than that it looks rpetty good

Indeed it looks pretty good.

Oo;

You two must have missed the -50% movement speed debuff for FIFTEEN seconds.

As for other skills:

Genestealers:
25% chance to summon a unit that hits very hard in TT is a bit much, especially off a kill. Might need to elaborate on stats and lower the chance of summon.

Toxin: DoT looks good, just lower the movement speed debuff.

Mutations: Till death means that if he kills a caster, gains 5 int, and then dies, he loses that 5 int? Seems like you want him to be ganked...

Also, passive invis seems a bit op, since it doesn't run out. You could just hang by the trees and level up, plus there's no disappearance time, so it would be hard to catch that hero as is.

its a numbers thing the important part is that it slows for a while.

and the passive invis is very limited in its uses, 200 is just over half of Karandras' innate's range, and there cant be enemies near u to become invis.

the hero might prove to be op, but i think its pretty ok now, could definatly use a few tweeks but w/e so do most heroes

Glycine wrote:Oo;

You two must have missed the -50% movement speed debuff for FIFTEEN seconds.

As for other skills:

Genestealers:
25% chance to summon a unit that hits very hard in TT is a bit much, especially off a kill. Might need to elaborate on stats and lower the chance of summon.

Toxin: DoT looks good, just lower the movement speed debuff.

Mutations: Till death means that if he kills a caster, gains 5 int, and then dies, he loses that 5 int? Seems like you want him to be ganked...

Also, passive invis seems a bit op, since it doesn't run out. You could just hang by the trees and level up, plus there's no disappearance time, so it would be hard to catch that hero as is.

Heh, I had indeed missed that.

For the genestealers though, at first I thought that too, but then I saw that with his innate at max level, he can only have 5. So basically, while it'll proc a lot, it won't actually spawn anything most of the time, especially since at innate level 1 it only spawns one.
That being said, depending on their stats/duration, it may need a nerf.

Mutations: It encourages ganking, while encouraging other players to gank him. Seems fair to me.

The passive invis may need a duration, fade time, and CD, but it seems good as a skill.

Glycine wrote:It's much easier to make an OP hero and tone down skills than to get skills right the first time. ^^;

From one of your posts in Vulkan He'stan...

Anyway, I can focus on reworking the numbers once I come up with an Ult..

Indeed it may be, but that doesn't stop people from commenting on it.

Although I think we all know most of us are sane individuals.

I changed some things... I need ideas for an Ultimate. I'm still drawing a blank.

hmm, i dont know why u nerfed the number of stealers possible the people are complaining about a summon they dont even know the stats of and i would prefer to have *more* cause u know... nids just make stats lower to compensate. (damage tho, not hp... cause then they die to easy to aoe)

im not sure i like toxin sacs for the name of the first skill call it implant attack? cause toxin sacs definatly doesnt do that. other than that i like it. possibly too much self stun just for a pretty bad slow (oh yeah, buff the slow numbers)

addaptive is good, the numbers might be too high... but w/e XD

scuttlers is still good. i like that one

and for the ult... its gota be the skill that ties up the skillset/role/theme... good luck

Agreed with what Grass said... except I think the adaptive numbers are fine, considering that you won't always get the same stat, and that the only way for it to become OP is if the player is so much better than anyone that he would have raped anyway.

What you are currently calling toxin sacs could easily be named "flesh hooks" the effect is pretty much what it does holds a foe so they can be hit. I think a fair adaption of the skill to an aos.

And as for an ulti some ideas
Acid maw (active skill) 20/30/40 dps for 10 sec

Implant attack (active) 50 of strength(or main stat did i miss what it was) is added to damage for 3/5/9 sec
(both of these skill would make someone think twice about being caught alone with him)

Adrenal glands -an attack speed boost


And one i think could make things very intresting
Ripper swarms- when cast players units and ally heroes within 300 will gain ripper swarms fighting between their feet.
Ripper swarms do 10 dps and last for 3/5/7 sec (could be OP with spaws but idk)

Well, one of his skills allows him to gain stats for each kill, but if he dies, he loses all those bonuses.

So to maximize stat gain, you need to make him very, very hard to kill. Because he's going to be a target for ganks if he starts racking kills.

Or you can make him extra killy, like what orks do.

well, hes got stuns and an invis skill, which makes up for the focus-me-ness
and yaeh, flesh hooks would work good as a name change. (unless for some reason you *reall* want to call it toxin sacs... then the effects dont make sense... but just a name change works)

and i dont really like the ripper swarms for a broodlord
and tbh, none of the other ideas are very interesting by themselves... maby you could change them up a bit to be a bit less generic.

The reason I have it as "Toxin Sacs" because the TT description is: "This tick-like parasite feeds on the host and excretes letha poisons into or over its weapon-symbiotes. Poisons created vary widely, from agonising paralytic neurotoxins to aggressive necrotic enzymes, all swimming with deadly Tyrannic phage cells." The actual rule gives the Tyranid +1 Strength (which never did make sense to me, but, meh). And, I agree with Grass about the Rippers.. Genestealers are the first Tyranids on the planet, and Rippers are the very last.

yeah, but that description doesnt really lend itself to a hold like spell. the slow works, but not the hold

i originally had it as a cast that would deal extra dmg / dot for each attack, but I changed it. Thus the name. But, really, no one has any ideas for Ults? X_x

Lol

Use those rending claws.

Rupture, armor loss.

Alright. Updated acouple of things in OP. Need to start on the Genestealer and Patriarch stats..

ok, rending claws actually works p[retty good in there
scuttlers and adaptive need 4 levels

i dont think geanstealers should be melee or ranged. partly cause its alot harder to code that way if not impossible.
oh, and can the skill target any team?

things to consider for rupture:
toxin sacs slow, and u have two stuns that will reduce the effectivness of rutpre
whats the duration?
at 50% of distance as damage, moving 300 will cause 150 damage (thats the average base ms, most heroes move that in one second)

some comparisons:
kharn's rupture lasts 3 seconds, dealing 50% of distance, but the target is also sloed by 25%, so thats 225 ms from the slow, moving 675 distance max, taking a maximum of 337 damage.
thats also on a low % chance.

see what u can make of that

moving to dev. more nid heroes!

deus, we need some stats for the geanstealers

Wha..?

nowhere did u post the stats for the geanstealers

that are spawned from the innate